I believe in checks and balances and the importance of having more than one party making unilateral decisions. I think debate and thoughtful discussion of differing opinions are absolutely healthy and necessary to make the best decisions, but when I say "anti-health care bullshit" I'm not talking about reasoned disagreement. It's the loudest screamers who get the most attention, sadly, and people who are screaming really loudly right now are not winning any hearts and minds to their cause, especially when they're screaming about "death panels" instead of engaging on parts of the bill which actually exist.

As I said, I don't really have the stomach or the peace of mind to debate this right now -- and I can tell by your explanation of "burdening expense on the backs of those of us who produce in our society" that the two of us have a radically and fundamentally different worldview -- but IMO, there's a difference between saying "I disagree with the way the proposed system would fix health care" and saying "the system we have doesn't need to be fixed." I'm open to discussion of the first point. But the latter? I...really don't know what to say to that.