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[wildflowersoul]

This and the "keep the government out of my Medicare" people make my head explode.

I don't really have much to say about the health care debate (though I use the word debate loosely) because it is just so common sense and so obvious that we need change, that I... just don't know what to say. Just today I had to reschedule an appointment for my yearly doctor appointment, the one I've been waiting months for, because the doctor is taking vacation on my previously scheduled appointment day. And that's relatively "gold plated" health care I've got. Nah, our system is just fine.

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[tenillypo.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I really commend people who have the strength to go out there and debate this stuff because I'm just rendered speechless and incoherent by all the anti-health care bullshit going on.

[dirtymikesell.livejournal.com]

I think the point most attempt to make in their opposition of Obamacare, the burdening expense on the backs of those of us who produce in our society.

They also are not in favor of another intrusion of the govt into their lives. There are some rather hidden nanny state provisions in the bill. Such as home visits by "well trained" folks who will advise (try to tell) you how to raise YOUR child.

[tenillypo.livejournal.com]

I believe in checks and balances and the importance of having more than one party making unilateral decisions. I think debate and thoughtful discussion of differing opinions are absolutely healthy and necessary to make the best decisions, but when I say "anti-health care bullshit" I'm not talking about reasoned disagreement. It's the loudest screamers who get the most attention, sadly, and people who are screaming really loudly right now are not winning any hearts and minds to their cause, especially when they're screaming about "death panels" instead of engaging on parts of the bill which actually exist.

As I said, I don't really have the stomach or the peace of mind to debate this right now -- and I can tell by your explanation of "burdening expense on the backs of those of us who produce in our society" that the two of us have a radically and fundamentally different worldview -- but IMO, there's a difference between saying "I disagree with the way the proposed system would fix health care" and saying "the system we have doesn't need to be fixed." I'm open to discussion of the first point. But the latter? I...really don't know what to say to that.

[dirtymikesell.livejournal.com]

I wholly agree with you about how the discussion and debate should be a civil and reasoned. The ranting and name calling on both sides fails. I would never claim that current health care is perfect or even good. I do think that the majority of health care professionals in the U.S. are the best in the world. I do not know if pharmaceutical firms for profit has the best interest in humanity in mind when making their products.

I will respect your reluctance to continue debate further.
Be well.

[tenillypo.livejournal.com]

I do think that the majority of health care professionals in the U.S. are the best in the world.

On this, at least, we can agree. It's not the quality that I have issues with, but the access. :-)

Be well.

And you.

[c-m-i.livejournal.com]

Did you at least get to give blood?

[dirtymikesell.livejournal.com]

While not awesome and Utopian, you can get the emergency surgery you need or any procedure you wish done if you have the coverage or the money to purchase it.

I disagree in my friendly manner.

[dirtymikesell.livejournal.com]

The issue ought to be health care cost. Tort reform and less CYA testing because of evil lawyers. As for whether an insurance ninny or a government moron denies my health care claim is neither here nor there.

The govt does nothing well or right. Folks tried to point out the military is well run govt. institution. That may be but they are mission oriented. $400 hammers anyone? Also how many horror stories come from the VA Healthcare?

I'm curious since I left, how is the Mass mandated health insurance worked?

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[wildflowersoul.livejournal.com]

Mikesell! First of all, it's great to see you back on these here internets, and "hi!" it's awesome to hear from you.

Respectfully, I disagree. To say the government doesn't do anything well or right seems willfully naive. Obviously, there is a lot that government could be doing better, but that is the peril of a work in progress.

For arguments sake I'm going to ignore state and local government right now. But the Code of Federal Regulations and the US Code are huge, ginormous sets of laws that basically boil down to the principle "don't be a jerk, ok." And because people and corporations will always come up with new ways to be jerks, these are living, evolving governing documents. I mean, we need the FDA because otherwise corporations will try to poison our food. We need the SEC because in the 20s and 30s some jerks were swindling people, and capitalism being what it is, I think we have recently seen that some jerks are going to continue to try to swindle people for a buck, and the best we can try to do is prevent it.

I feel silly using sketch comedy to make a point, but this is amusingly apt to illustrate the problems inherent in lack of government:

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[wildflowersoul.livejournal.com]

Oh, and the Mass mandated health insurance- I can't speak super well to it because honestly it has made zero impact on my life, other than that I have to spend an extra 2 seconds on my tax returns to fill in an extra box.

I think the MA state-run health plan has income specifications that I don't meet, so as far as I know, it's not an option for me. Otherwise, I would totally seriously consider it. I'd love to add a healthy, low-cost person to their pool, especially if it meant lower premiums for me.

It's become abundantly clear during this health care debate that insurance companies are really, truly despicable and evil. I've read several interviews with former insurance execs admitting that their practices are intentionally designed to maximize profit at the cost of human health and lives. We have arrived at a juncture where we can no longer entrust private insurance companies to be making decisions that impact people's health. And a healthier population is a net good for everyone, from herd immunities to having more people healthy and able to work and produce in society.

And not all lawyers are evil. Many are just trying to perform in their profession to the best of their ability, and many genuinely care about righting wrongs. Plus, I kinda depend on them to pay my salary.

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[dirtymikesell.livejournal.com]

I would never back or argue for the insurance companies. They are a terrible evil. Yes, not all lawyers are evil. But I think they are rare like fairies.

It's soo good to talk with you.

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[wildflowersoul.livejournal.com]

It's soo good to talk with you.

Yes!!! You too! =)

[dirtymikesell.livejournal.com]

OH and HUGS to my other favorite librarian.