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[wildflowersoul]

I can't stop reading about Teabagger craziness, though it's making my head explode. And serious-fucking-ly, Sarah Palin?

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[doplar.livejournal.com]

I had the pleasure of talking Obama healthcare plan with a couple of old blue collar workers in a bar last weekend - their main gripes were illegal immigrants getting healthcare and further loving their free ride in america and the government 'death' panels deciding that operations for old dudes are not worth it and its cheaper to deny coverage. I had my few minutes of talking to them about the fact emergency rooms are obligated to serve illegals anyway and how we save money by providing insurance for regular doctors visits to prevent costly er visits and how could they possibly trust the government less than private healht insurance companies who'll cut off your coverage in a second if you suddenly need expensive procedures (looking for lies on your application, preexisting conditions, ANYTHING to deny deny deny). Anyhow, not my best debate day (i.e. not attaching the untruths of their premises) though I did get called a bleeding heart.

[wildflowersoul.livejournal.com]

I suppose judging by how teabaggers have been behaving lately, being called a bleeding heart is not too bad! Man, I'd love to get into a good debate in a bar, but people tend to not talk to us when we're out and about. I think I give off "leave me alone" vibes (Drew totally gets into conversations with random strangers when he's out by himself).

[starflow.livejournal.com]

ha! It doesn't help to tell them "we're not with you guys." (said with love! I love going out and about with you.)

[wildflowersoul.livejournal.com]

Ha ha, I know! I still can't believe how awkward and uncool I was there! Oh well, it was a Fark meetup and thus vastly inferior to the internet meetups I attend =)

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i usually don't initiate conversations with strangers but there is a bartender whose really friendly so if I tell her what I'm up to that day and someone else chimes in, its a good segway if I'm in the mood and the chimer-inner isn't totally creepy.

[thiswakingdream.livejournal.com]

Im dying to get in a conversation with someone on the right, if they will be civil. Man, the people you talked to are just repeating lies spread by the right...There is no case that i know of where there are "death panels", and your right, Hospitals are required to help anyone who comes in, regardless if they have healthcare or not....and thats the problem with the system is that people who are uninsured, they raise the cost of the bills for all hospitals....But theres also weird corruption going on as well for example where in one hospital you can get a procedure done for $1000, when another hospital charges $10,000 for the same procedure....and the cheaper one isnt any worse or any better than the 10k one....So there is problems there...

And also id love to argue with the right is how can you look someone in the face and deny them coverage for a pre-existing condition, especially something like acne where there have been thousands of cases that were denied.......the people you were talking to, if that happened to them they would be crushed.....And the Obama administration has now put in legislation that no more Pre-Existing conditions can deny coverage...that is maybe one of the best things to happen to this country in the last 40 years.....and NOT ONE REPUBLICAN voted for it....its a disgrace.....those people you were talking to, how can they defend "denying coverage" if they have any ounce of humanity in them...They rather have their sons & daughters & family get denied coverage, than to fix the system???? Makes no sense...The Bill isnt perfect, but most Bills take years to reform, and hopefully over the years they will fix things that are not working, and applaud things that are working....

the rhetoric the people you seemed to talk to just gave the same old false right wing debate thats basically been shot down by even Republicans as well...its just silliness.